Comments on: Saguaro development cancelled http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/ Palm OS / web OS news and opinion source Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:35:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-200140 Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:23:35 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-200140 "Not all GNU is free software…" In all technicality you are wrong. While people can offer GNUGPL software for money (the license allows this) they must also provide source (the license requires this) so, no, you can get GNU software for free and Free. As an example, take RHEL (Red hat). They provide their source, imo, but it's a b*tch to get a hold of. They make their money by forcing (or suggesting) users, mostly large corporate, or business entities, to invest in support options. As a result you end with people wanting a free RHEL: CentOS is RHEL without the required support contract. What I'm trying to say (it's 3.30 am, pardon) is that there is no such thing as non-{f|F}ree GNUGPL software. And, like I said, I doubt saguaro's code is abondonware :) Best regards, Ryan Rix “Not all GNU is free software…”
In all technicality you are wrong. While people can offer GNUGPL software for money (the license allows this) they must also provide source (the license requires this) so, no, you can get GNU software for free and Free.

As an example, take RHEL (Red hat). They provide their source, imo, but it’s a b*tch to get a hold of. They make their money by forcing (or suggesting) users, mostly large corporate, or business entities, to invest in support options. As a result you end with people wanting a free RHEL: CentOS is RHEL without the required support contract.

What I’m trying to say (it’s 3.30 am, pardon) is that there is no such thing as non-{f|F}ree GNUGPL software.

And, like I said, I doubt saguaro’s code is abondonware :)

Best regards,
Ryan Rix

]]> By: Tam Hanna, Site Founder http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-197883 Tam Hanna, Site Founder Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:59:29 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-197883 Hi Alphasmart User, having once used a stone-old laptop myself, I can at least somewhat relate to the concept of wishing that "useless" stuff gets abandonwared(e.g. Win 3.1). However, as a developer, there are various reasons this can not be done - last but not least, there always is the possibility that someone interested later on purchases the rights to the software and wants to continue supporting it. And this is hindered by the GPL. For example, I would love to fork SmallBASIC and start selling it as a supported product - but I cant... Best regards Tam Hanna Hi Alphasmart User,
having once used a stone-old laptop myself, I can at least somewhat relate to the concept of wishing that “useless” stuff gets abandonwared(e.g. Win 3.1).

However, as a developer, there are various reasons this can not be done – last but not least, there always is the possibility that someone interested later on purchases the rights to the software and wants to continue supporting it.

And this is hindered by the GPL. For example, I would love to fork SmallBASIC and start selling it as a supported product – but I cant…

Best regards
Tam Hanna

]]> By: Alphasmart User http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-197626 Alphasmart User Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:36:03 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-197626 Not all GNU is free software... I wasn't implying that ALL software should be GNU... I would think that <i>abandonware</i> that won't be used by the company anymore should be GNU'd so good software does not go to waste... Not all GNU is free software… I wasn’t implying that ALL software should be GNU… I would think that abandonware that won’t be used by the company anymore should be GNU’d so good software does not go to waste…

]]> By: Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-197500 Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:32:36 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-197500 Nothing's literally impossible. AlphasmartUser: Marshall and the boys at PDAP are heck-good coders -- I'm sure you'll see them around a bit, even if they aren't in the PalmOS field. They probably have some nice code there they'd like to hang on to for future projects. It's probably the equivalent of asking Dmitry to opensource some of his unreleased projects. Just not gonna happen. And for that matter, not everything SHOULD be GNU'd as you seem to imply in your comment. Could you imagine the hell that would insue of Dmitry released all of his hacks under GNU? Nothing’s literally impossible.

AlphasmartUser: Marshall and the boys at PDAP are heck-good coders — I’m sure you’ll see them around a bit, even if they aren’t in the PalmOS field. They probably have some nice code there they’d like to hang on to for future projects.
It’s probably the equivalent of asking Dmitry to opensource some of his unreleased projects. Just not gonna happen.

And for that matter, not everything SHOULD be GNU’d as you seem to imply in your comment. Could you imagine the hell that would insue of Dmitry released all of his hacks under GNU?

]]> By: Alphasmart User http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-197460 Alphasmart User Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:10:13 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-197460 How come PDA performance never released the source code? They are not going to use it anymore so they should at least make it GNU... How come PDA performance never released the source code? They are not going to use it anymore so they should at least make it GNU…

]]> By: Tam Hanna, Site Founder http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-196184 Tam Hanna, Site Founder Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:32:56 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-196184 Hi, I am sorry, but I never got the file... Also, it IMHO is worthless as there is no SDK,... Best regards Tam Hanna Hi,
I am sorry, but I never got the file…

Also, it IMHO is worthless as there is no SDK,…

Best regards
Tam Hanna

]]> By: FTD http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-193198 FTD Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:58:05 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-193198 It is literally impossible to find the saguaro prc file, now that the company is down. Does anyone have it that could email it to me? It is literally impossible to find the saguaro prc file, now that the company is down. Does anyone have it that could email it to me?

]]> By: Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-188511 Ryan Rix, Vice Administrator Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:17:10 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-188511 <blockquote> Hi Ryan, Thank you... We're extremely busy right now getting other things going in the technology industry, so I'm afraid that we won't be able to do an interview. Best of luck however with TamsPalm! Best regards, Marshall </blockquote> I guess that's the end of a chapter folks... And as I've said in the past -- LineUp is more or less as preview of what was to come with Saguaro! Best regards Ryan

Hi Ryan,

Thank you…

We’re extremely busy right now getting other things going in the technology industry, so I’m afraid that we won’t be able to do an interview. Best of luck however with TamsPalm!

Best regards,
Marshall

I guess that’s the end of a chapter folks… And as I’ve said in the past — LineUp is more or less as preview of what was to come with Saguaro!

Best regards
Ryan

]]> By: Alphasmart User http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-188282 Alphasmart User Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:50:24 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-188282 Why did everybody forget about Screens Environment? Why did everybody forget about Screens Environment?

]]> By: Alphasmart User http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-188219 Alphasmart User Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:14:55 +0000 http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/02/28/saguaro-development-cancelled/#comment-188219 It was a widget engine with lots of eyecandy! Is there any chance for a source code release? It was a widget engine with lots of eyecandy! Is there any chance for a source code release?

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